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continues to be more than half restrict, we can drill down and show that there are major categories of restrictions and i think there was particular interest in the percentage of employers who would restrict their use for health insurance swes for enrollment in healthy san francisco because if you're an employee who receives a health reimbursement account from an employer in lieu of health insurance, it would be expected or common that you might utilize those funds to purchase health insurance on the private market or enroll yourself in a healthy san francisco program, i think that's more likely to be true after 2014 when individuals have a legal mandate to provide that insurance and the rates we see 35% of these health reimbursement accounts precluded or prevented employees from using the funds to purchase health insurance and 28% of them precluded individuals from using the funds to enroll in healthy san
francisco, the rates have stayed exactly the same, in 2011 and 2012 with respect to those specific restrictions as well. >> and i think those of us who were not supportive o*f the amendment as it passed really believed that it wasn't enough to really make things change, it seems like in that sense, we have been provender to be rightfinger but i do want to acknowledge that there were efforts on the part of the business community, i know the golden gate restaurants association did a lot of work to make sure that those numbers were lowered and i know that a lot of information to its members, but it hasn't -- >> i would be remiss if i didn't also mention while the rates of restrictions have stayed consist tents, we have seen an up tick on the utilization of these utilization accounts, people have been reimbursed in a
higher pe sen taj due to a lot of outreach from both the business community, other members in the community. >> so, now that hra's are not allowed under the aca, then what happens in terms of, you know, compliance with the health and security ordinance, what ways do employers have? >> yeah, i certainly expect and there's all indications that there's a lot of robust policy discussions about this and any potential changes but for the time being, or pending any changes, i think our expectation or our understanding is commencing in 2014, again, no with standing the possibility of changes at the federal or local level, employers would simply provide health insurance or contribute to the city option, those would be the two principle methods of complying with our local spending requirement. >> i see. so, talking about the 53% of
employers who place restrictions on these accounts, then we're talking abthese folks now going the route of insurance or healthy san francisco? >> yes, going the health insurance or contributing to the city option, the contribution tos the city option as has been indicated previously, the pool and the size of the healthy san francisco problem, excuse me, the healthy san francisco program is likely to be reduced and consequently, the contributions that employers make to the city option will be routed to medical reimbursement accounts that are administered by the city for individual employees, these are similar to frankly the health reimbursement accounts that are used widely today and administered privately, there are some difference, one of those which i think you're getting to is that the medical reimbursement accounts administered by the city have no prescribers other than them
being available broadly for medical services. >> you said earlier, i want to get the number right, that about 35% of employers that use these hra's have not allowed in this past year that the money be used for health insurance? >> that is correct. >> if that money is now going to be used in healthy san francisco let's say, will healthy san francisco place restrictions on the use of that money? i would imagine that we are not going to prohibit people from using that to buy health insurance? >> that sounds unlikely. i would be reluctant to speculate but i can say there's no such restrictions on the administration of those accounts currently or over the five or six years they've been maintaining those accounts forward. er >> i think that's a great thing, you have more people using that money for health insurance.
in terms of the medical reimbursement accounts, is there anything that we need to do in terms of clarity that we need to get from the federal government around how that works? >> in all honesty, i'm not sure the details of that, and i don't know if other departments are looking into that, but for the time being, my understanding is absent any changes, you know, that those will continue to operate as they do even after 2014 under the hca. >> okay, colleagues, any other questions? great. just a quick question for the department of public health. i remember, you know, a number of conversations we had with director garcia and all the health professionals, from my perspective, it looks like more people will be able to buy health insurance.
i assume that from the department of public health, that's a good thing? >> that is absolutely a good thing and we've said while healthy san francisco is a fantastic program, it is limited by its nature and health insurance is always better than healthy san francisco. >> that's great. >> i have a couple of questions for colleen, i *f i'm sorry i missed the present tais and i'm waiting on the handouts, i may ask questions that you may have already addressed. when i look at healthy san francisco, i know people in the baby community that would qualify for healthy sf, but don't know about the problem, and so where i'm concerned with that is if people don't know about healthy san francisco, it's been on the market and out there for a bit of time, how are you going to do a better job of doing outreach and enrolling people in the affordable health care act that of which we'll be able to do in the fall? >> so, our first method of
enrolling people is to look at who we have on healthy san francisco, as you said, there's a gap between your residents and healthy san francisco participants, we're looking specifically at converting the healthy san francisco participants into health care coverage. we recently applied for an outreach and education grant which we were not successful in getting probably because we have too much outreach to our population already, we identified in the process of applying for that grant, we identified certain populations in our city that need extra attention in outreach and the southeast core door, in addition to asian and latino adult, small business and sole proprietors and young adults in school, so we intend to do a concerted outreach effort in the absence of the grant to those specific populations that we know will need outreach. >> this is exactly what i'm
concerned about, about -- you understand there's a need for extra attention to outreach, at least i haven't heard and i haven't seen a plan on what exactly outreach is going to look like. i'm thinking we need to develop a system that is more or less similar to the census, remember when there was census data that bewere collecting, people that were cultural competent and it was an economic engine, it helped go door to door and get people to fill out their census form. so, i would like to see something similar like that, so that would require the department of public health doing some kind of partnering with cover california when it comes to finding monies available to make such an effort come into a reality, or folding into the department of public health budget as well, there are grass roots
organizations organizing right now in the latino as well as chinese communities that need extra help, meaning financial support, on their outreach, but before we can do outreach, it's a level of education that needs to happen and there are resources that need to be developed and quite frankly purchased and paid for to get out there, so i don't know if your presentation discussed about this but this is something that i'm really sensitive ant because we don't have the opportunity, we are talking about people's lives here to allow this gap that -- to exist. there are a lot of people that now qualify for health care, for coverage. we need to make sure we are capturing every single person, every family that's out there and in this universe and getting them enrolled and i think the department of public health is going to need more health than just relying on their public clinic partners
and allies, we need to be enrolling the non-profiteer and is the housing authority, they're always left off the table and i think we also need to be organizing with our churches and i already said our non-profits, so that is really my position. supervisor campos? >> i wanted to add something to that, supervisor. one of the thing eswith os we are plan tog do is hold a series of hearings and the next hearing we're planning to hold which i would love to work with you is on this issue of what is our plan for enrolling people into the exchange, what kind of outreach, and my hope is that between now and the time we hold a hearing in september because the enrollment begins in october that we will get from the department of department health a robust plan for outreach. >> i'm feeling an incredible sense of urgency, it's still going to need some money and some resources and i don't know
where those are going to come from. non-profit is already stressed and probably don't have accessed money and a budget to do this kind of work, but why not hire some of the people to go door to door and knock and have them begin to do some peer to peer education. >> so, i have a couple of responses to that. first, we are working on a citywide communications plan and work witching the mayor's office on outreach and education plan for the city, we are planning to apply for the second round of funding with the same application that we had previously, with the some computations we had previously. in addition, we -- just this week, the department pulled together all of its community based organization contractors and in that discussion with them, we talked about the health reform implementation and the importance to get everybody covered on health insurance for which they're
eligible. we asked them to consider being a sister, application enrollment as sisters under the cal foreign yo program because that does come with money, for everybody who is enrolled with california, any person who's enrolled into covered california, they get 58 dollars, for every person you enroll, that's 58 dollars, so it could help support the enrollment. >> that sounds like the triple c bounty program, and again, i don't want to drop the ball on this because i would be really upset. if i get upset, i'm going to put a bug on campos's ear, and it will be contagious and you have a whole board of upset supervisors, so in your partnership with the mayor's office, loop us in, particularly those that are your partners that are working
and representing the communities that are often left off the table. this is absolutely critical. thank you. >> yes. >> believe you me, it's a lot worse when you see supervisor cohen upset. i think the point though, one point that i will make and we talked earlier about the convening of the universal health care council which is a good thing, if it's so important, it's too bad that it's only happening three months before the implementation, and another point i think, it's like i wish we had had this discussion before adopting the budget of the department of public health, of the health services agency because to the extent that more resources would have been needed, that was the time to have that conversation. >> one thing i neglected to mention to you is that cover california is also kind of running to keep up and there aren't resources available right now to even train application as sisters, so we're in a little bit of an
education only place, we can't move to action until they move forward as well. >> thank you very much, i know we want to get to public comment, i have one question or one point that i think is important to clarify and if i may, i'd like to ask our deputy city attorney, john gibner who's here with us, there has been a lot of talk from a lot of different folks, you know, about the legality of the health care ordinance and whether or not it's preempted by federal law and as our legal council for both the board of supervisors, the mayor and the department of public health, can you say something about that, what's the city attorney's view on that? >> sure, deputy city attorney, john gibner. the affordable care act has -- includes some language that states that it does not pre-empt local and state laws
like the health care security ordinance. in termser of other questions that have arisen, based on the federal guidance we've received to date, there's no indication that the health care security ordinance is preempted or otherwise adversely affected by the affordable care act and as you subjecting earlier, supervisor campos, the local law complements in many ways the affordable care act. >> thank you, i just want the hear it from the horse's mouth, if you will, because i want to make sure that everything's on the table. yes, supervisor cohen? >> thank you very much, so what does reetcher -- pre-empt mean, just to be clear? >> basically under the u.s. constitution, federal law is
supreme and in many cases, if a local agency or a state adopts a law that directly conflicts with a federal law, the federal law trumps, in other situations, there's a federal law that occupies the entire field of an area and when the federal government adopts the law that occupies an entire field, congress may say local jurisdiction, you can't meddle with this subject, in this case, the affordable care act allows local jurisdictions like san francisco to adopt ordinances like the health care ordinance. >> thank you for that clarification. >> thank you very much, why don't we go on to public comment and we have a large number of people here, so normally i give each speaker which is the maximum which is 3 minutes, but i don't want to lose our quorum, so we will
limit to 2 minutes, so why don't i read off a few names. (calling speaker names). >> good afternoon. i'm ken jacobs, i'm the chair of the uc berkeley labor and education and one of the co-principle investigators for the simulation of market and is the primary model being used for projections in how health coverage will change in california as a result of the affordable care act and has been used by state, counties and covered california for their planning purposes. i was also a member of the universal health care council. >> is it possible to ask
speakers to use the other podium and if i may ask you to maybe line up to your right, my left, my apology, thank you very much. >> no problem. >> so, it's helpful to put the health care security ordinance in context. when it was caoe aided in san francisco, we were in the midst of a downward trend in job base coverage in california and in the u.s. as a whole. the security ordinance along with the healthy san francisco partners was also preserved to help job base coverage in san francisco in the context of workers having greater access to public programs, a study found that as a result of the program, 29% of covered employers reported that they added new health offerings, 27% increased employer insurance contributions, 18% contributed to healthy san francisco and
14% contributed to hra's and that goes against the broader trend of what we see in job base coverage in the united states and california. there's no question the affordable care act is going to -- that significantly expands options for health care in san francisco, but as noted earlier, there will be a large number of remaining uninsured, we estimate 3 to 4 million remaining uninsured statewide about which a million will be undocumented and 800 thousand will not have an option of coverage, looking in the bay area, we estimate of the working population that will remain uninsured, roughly half -- >> mr. jacobs, 's, i'd like to ask you the finish what you were saying because i think the information you're talking about is very important. i just want to make sure we have that information. *frjts so, half will not be eligible for affordable care act program and is if we look at those who are eligible for
healthy sarn fra*ns, that goes down to a little over about 43% will not be eligible for programs, so if i can just quickly finishing up, for those who will be eligible for the program, and it's important to say this is a big expansion and for many people, the cost of coverage through covered california will be much less than they would pay today and for a much better plan but it will still be costly for many. for a full time worker earning $15 an hour, 30 thousand dollars a year, they would still pay 200 dla, a month for a health care plan with a 2 thousand dollar deductible and 45 dlarp co-pay, the take up of covered california of the subsidy population, would be 20 to 44% in 2014 rising by 2019, so the result is we still will
have a large residual uninsured population in the state and in san francisco. there will still be insignificant need for the safety net system and the health care security ordinance can continue to play an important role both in shoring up health care coverage so we don't see a shift into public programs and through the public option to make sure people have the resources they need to be able to get coverage and to participate in coverage. er >> thank you, next speaker. >> mr. chair, honorable supervisors, the health of san francisco and the affordable care act, many people are left out of the affordable care act. we need to defend healthy san francisco now, more than ever, many immigrants are completely ineligible for health coverage through covered california, the h health care exchange, they
depend on healthy san francisco for their health care. that includes tens of thousands of san francisco resident, 10 thousand more that work in san francisco but do not live in san francisco, san francisco has been a huge success, all it takes to perceive for the future is to get the obama administration to recognize that it's a unique program and make some regulatory allowances unique for its design, this should not be controversial, healthy san francisco has a [inaudible] for healthy care reform and our national representative ares at the forefront of making the aca as strong as they could, but during this, we will ensure the health of san francisco remain a model for others to follow and doesn't allow us to enroll
backwards. some people currently receive coverage through healthy san francisco will require for medi cal care and many will not, we estimate 3 to 4 million californians will remain uninsured even after the aca is fully implemented at the same time public hospitals will face cuts and dsh payment and the alignment fund, employers payment under health care sans fra*ns will be crucial. thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir, i'm going to read a few more names and i apologize if i mispronounce your name. (calling speaker names). go ahead.
>> good afternoon, everyone, i just want to start out by appreciating supervisor campos for calling this hearing to highlight how important san francisco health care security ordinance is for all of us and also thank the health care advocates whose presence is strongly felt here today. as an author of san francisco's health care security ordinance, assembly member am yan noe is committed to ensures that workers who are enreceiving health care continue to receive coverage through the affordable care abing. we know that healthy san francisco has served as a model for health care reform nationally, as this transition happens, we know hou,backer thousands of workers will receive limited or no action under obama care, now that health care is a mandate, it's important that employers contribute to helping their workers in paying health insurance. when healthy san francisco is drafted, the employer spending requirement in san francisco's health care security ordinance
was always meant to help workers access what would otherwise be unaffordable health care and nothing about obama care changes this reality. we can't allow healthy -- health care security ordinance to be undermined by a few businesses that are trying to avoid their responsibilities, to workers, the patrons and the workers of san francisco, our office looks forward to working alongside of all of those to benefit from the ordinance and that it serves our community, thank you. >> thank you very much, next speaker. >> supervisors, thank you, ian lewis, hotel and restaurant workers local 2, i want to address renewed attack we saw in the paper recently in the spending requirements, it's really easy to get lost in all the jargon and all the technical discussion about health care, but this is not a complicated issue. it's quite straightforward.
for the past 89 years, the golden gate restaurants association and other business groups have done everything they could be to undermine san francisco's security ordinance, they sued the city, they gouged customers with phony surcharges, they exploited a loophole that let them keep most of the money that bewere obligated to provide for their benefits and now they're beating the drum again to have another go at it. obama care does many good things but it was not designed as supervisor campos said earlier, it was not designed for high cost cities like our own. if you are a typical restaurant worker in the city making $14 an hour and an out rao*efrp worker contacts you to go to the covered california web sited, you're going to look there and you're going to find that a basic plan costs 200 dollars a month and that's before you have to go and get care and pay high co-pays and
deductibles, last month, the median rent for a studio apartment was nearly 2 thousand dollars, if you're making $14 an hour and you're paying those kinds of rents, there's no way you're going to pay 200 dollars for a basic 730 plan in covered california unless you're exceptionally sick, you're going to go without. thank tos the health care security ordinance, however, san franciscans have another option, their employer can pay into the city option, workers can use that money to buy insurance and that's the way it is today. that's the way it should remain. >> can i ask you the wrap up your comments, please. >> sure. i just want to point out that this money grabbed by some of the city's worst bottom feeder employers is going to make people in this city sick e we have to do everything to prevent that and not let working people get pushed out even more. >> next speaker.
>> good afternoon, supervisors, i'm going to do the translation, can i have a little bit more time? >> yes. you get double the time for translation. >> (speaking through translator). >> hi, my name is angela and aoem a member of chinese progressive association. after learning more about health care reform, it's good that medi cal income eligibility will be higher.
but san francisco is an expensive place and it costs so much money to live. the bar is really low, for us low-income immigrant, we come to america because we want to work hard and fight for a better life and then be able to contribute back to society. it's really hard to do that because once we go over the thing like medi cal limit, it becomes really hard and expensive to be able to buy health insurance.
even though we might get credit to buy, have insurance in the health care exchange, but it's not enough to make it actually affordable to us. mruz there's a lot of things that is not covered in the exchange like vision or dental care. health care is a maou man right, everyone should be able to get health care regardless of who you are or how much you make.